CI as a Dark Art: Do we need a new age of CI For The Straight Guy? - Competitive Intelligence2024-03-28T11:32:28Zhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/forum/topics/ci-as-a-dark-art-do-we-need-a?commentId=2036441%3AComment%3A18256&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCan you solve moral dilemmas…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-08-07:2036441:Comment:256182009-08-07T04:21:08.581ZTadeusz Lemańczykhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/TadeuszLemanczyk
Can you solve moral dilemmas encountered by you during the pursuit of Competitive Intelligence profession as exemplarily as Mr. Harrison solving that moral dilemma encountered by him during the pursuit of solicitor's profession ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:5062" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:5062</a> )?
Can you solve moral dilemmas encountered by you during the pursuit of Competitive Intelligence profession as exemplarily as Mr. Harrison solving that moral dilemma encountered by him during the pursuit of solicitor's profession ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:5062" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:5062</a> )? Hello, Graeme, are you sure t…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-25:2036441:Comment:250592009-07-25T07:38:45.620ZTadeusz Lemańczykhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/TadeuszLemanczyk
Hello, Graeme, are you sure that Competitive Intelligence professionals have never put themselves in such a moral dilemma as Hercule Poirot and Captain Hastings cheating Jacob Radnor ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4821" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4821</a> )?<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
Tad<br />
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Hello, Graeme, are you sure that Competitive Intelligence professionals have never put themselves in such a moral dilemma as Hercule Poirot and Captain Hastings cheating Jacob Radnor ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4821" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4821</a> )?<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
Tad<br />
<a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/</a> The only comment I would say…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-21:2036441:Comment:249692009-07-21T21:37:27.114ZGraeme Dixonhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/GraemeDixon
The only comment I would say is the general public at large will never have heard of Competitive Intelligence.<br />
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People tend to over complicate things and make it appear a dark art too. Just my opinion.
The only comment I would say is the general public at large will never have heard of Competitive Intelligence.<br />
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People tend to over complicate things and make it appear a dark art too. Just my opinion. Those questions asked in Peri…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-21:2036441:Comment:249662009-07-21T18:49:48.788ZTadeusz Lemańczykhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/TadeuszLemanczyk
Those questions asked in <i>Peril At End House</i> ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4761" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4761</a> ) seem to be even more straight directed to Competitive Intelligence professionals, don't they? ;-)
Those questions asked in <i>Peril At End House</i> ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4761" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4761</a> ) seem to be even more straight directed to Competitive Intelligence professionals, don't they? ;-) I am not challenging "Holier…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-20:2036441:Comment:249232009-07-20T03:00:40.005ZVivek Raghuvanshihttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
I am not challenging "Holier Than Thou" syndrome here.<br />
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The issue is that "Intelligence" we generate has to be Competitive.<br />
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The yardstick should be that each one of us must be aware of the "Consequence of our Actions".<br />
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The tools CI professionals use in Collection and Analysis of Information to generate Intelligence are also used by my friends from:<br />
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1. WAD<br />
2. WAPI<br />
3. Management Consulting.<br />
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We have to see the World in various shades of Grey rather than Black or White (Michael Jackson...just…
I am not challenging "Holier Than Thou" syndrome here.<br />
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The issue is that "Intelligence" we generate has to be Competitive.<br />
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The yardstick should be that each one of us must be aware of the "Consequence of our Actions".<br />
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The tools CI professionals use in Collection and Analysis of Information to generate Intelligence are also used by my friends from:<br />
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1. WAD<br />
2. WAPI<br />
3. Management Consulting.<br />
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We have to see the World in various shades of Grey rather than Black or White (Michael Jackson...just kidding). Do you (as a particular group…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-19:2036441:Comment:249192009-07-19T17:00:47.430ZTadeusz Lemańczykhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/TadeuszLemanczyk
Do you (as a particular group among the other professionals) feel better not being alone with your moral dilemmas ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4722" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4722</a> )? ;-)
Do you (as a particular group among the other professionals) feel better not being alone with your moral dilemmas ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4722" target="_blank">http://fedcba.ning.com/xn/detail/2516803:Comment:4722</a> )? ;-) My friend M. Alain Juillet, S…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-05-21:2036441:Comment:217592009-05-21T03:31:20.030ZVivek Raghuvanshihttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
My friend M. Alain Juillet, Senior Director in charge of Competitive Intelligence, French Govt very rightly said:<br />
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"Competitive Intelligence is Control and Protection of Strategic Information"......It is to the competitiveness of the economy and security to the State and enterprises.
My friend M. Alain Juillet, Senior Director in charge of Competitive Intelligence, French Govt very rightly said:<br />
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"Competitive Intelligence is Control and Protection of Strategic Information"......It is to the competitiveness of the economy and security to the State and enterprises. Khalid bhai,
Micro Picture -…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-05-21:2036441:Comment:217562009-05-21T03:08:47.128ZVivek Raghuvanshihttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
Khalid bhai,<br />
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Micro Picture - Competitive Intelligence is a tool for Corporate Warfare<br />
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Macro Picture - Competitive Intelligence is a tool for Economic Supremacy of the Nations.<br />
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Now we all know about PPP ( Private Public Partnership )<br />
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Cold War is over? So what do we do? Hunt terrorists, which we are.<br />
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But today Nations compete for Economic Supremacy. For Economic Supremacy of Nations, each one of us pools in the best resources whether they are Keiretsus or RAHAB ( oops I let the cat out of…
Khalid bhai,<br />
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Micro Picture - Competitive Intelligence is a tool for Corporate Warfare<br />
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Macro Picture - Competitive Intelligence is a tool for Economic Supremacy of the Nations.<br />
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Now we all know about PPP ( Private Public Partnership )<br />
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Cold War is over? So what do we do? Hunt terrorists, which we are.<br />
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But today Nations compete for Economic Supremacy. For Economic Supremacy of Nations, each one of us pools in the best resources whether they are Keiretsus or RAHAB ( oops I let the cat out of the bag! ) Even though today's companies…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-03-26:2036441:Comment:186722009-03-26T16:01:52.563ZJane Chin, Ph.D.http://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/JaneChin
Even though today's companies are requiring increasing degree of the accuracy and sensitivity of information, the field of CI as a whole shouldn't become viewed as "outsourced spies."<br />
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Just as many CI practitioners are asked for "more", today we do have "more" tools and signals to tap into than ever before. Back in the 90s we didn't have blogs, forums, and twitter. Twitter and other similar microblogging platforms especially are closer to primary source intelligence because these are…
Even though today's companies are requiring increasing degree of the accuracy and sensitivity of information, the field of CI as a whole shouldn't become viewed as "outsourced spies."<br />
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Just as many CI practitioners are asked for "more", today we do have "more" tools and signals to tap into than ever before. Back in the 90s we didn't have blogs, forums, and twitter. Twitter and other similar microblogging platforms especially are closer to primary source intelligence because these are communicated ad hoc, and usually live. All these contribute to increased signal to noise ratio, but that's why CI experts remain valuable to any industry. We're trained to sniff out what constitutes intel precursors and what is not.<br />
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I don't believe we need a different code of practice. For one, I'm not even sure many UNDERSTANDS what CI is and isn't, an assumption that keeps me concerned.<br />
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For example, a client told me on the phone yesterday that she may have 2 of her people go into a trade show deliberately not putting their company affiliations on their name tags because they're still new to the company. She said this way they can show up at competitor booths and get "CI". I bit my tongue from going into the code of ethnics and the misrepresentation of who you are to get what you think you can use, because I didn't know how to respond diplomatically without making her feel like I'm being accusatory.<br />
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Jane Chin To add to this stream of ethi…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-03-19:2036441:Comment:184082009-03-19T16:23:49.871ZEllen Naylorhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/EllenNaylor
To add to this stream of ethical discussion. I have been a CI consultant since 1993, and I really see little change in customer's demands for collection ever since I started my business. What's changed is how much more I can get on-line, and social networking can connect me to sources that I could never have reached or it would have taken much longer to reach. I can place a warmer call with someone I connect to via LinkedIn, Twitter, blogs, etc.<br />
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Ethics aside, people can easily find out who I…
To add to this stream of ethical discussion. I have been a CI consultant since 1993, and I really see little change in customer's demands for collection ever since I started my business. What's changed is how much more I can get on-line, and social networking can connect me to sources that I could never have reached or it would have taken much longer to reach. I can place a warmer call with someone I connect to via LinkedIn, Twitter, blogs, etc.<br />
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Ethics aside, people can easily find out who I am now too through the Internet as well, and with caller ID, choose not to pick up the phone since they don't know who I am. That was much easier before the Internet. You can't hide as a researcher, so don't even try.<br />
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I have had clients at all levels of management ask me to do unethical things, and I have lost clients this way. I think lower in management there is more pressure to please their bosses so they might be more willing to compromise ethics, but I have had some high up people ask me to do some unethical stuff too. Some have the "don't ask, don't know" mentality just "get me the information." We have to educate our clients one by one, since it's close to impossible to change this CI mentality. Spying and espionage have long been associated with CI and I don't see that going away. It's too compelling and the press keeps promoting it. And then there's the movie Duplicity which opens on March 20, which won't be helping our image either.