Competitive Intelligence Certification- Is it worth it? - Competitive Intelligence2024-03-29T09:13:27Zhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/forum/topics/competitive-intelligence-2?feed=yes&xn_auth=noSamantha
I second you. Even…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-04-01:2036441:Comment:481292011-04-01T14:13:33.326ZP Surekahttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/PSureka
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<p>I second you. Even in my current working organization, i have had a tough time substantiating the need of CI. Your conversation cum posts are helping me a lot to resolve my queries.</p>
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<p>Samantha</p>
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<p>I second you. Even in my current working organization, i have had a tough time substantiating the need of CI. Your conversation cum posts are helping me a lot to resolve my queries.</p>
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Thank you for your resp…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-31:2036441:Comment:471582011-03-31T00:35:27.406ZSamantha Kellyhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/SamanthaKelly
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Thank you for your response. I agree with your thinking. I am not sure if the certification is as important as the education-the learning. Since CI certification is relatively new I am not sure how much weight will be put on it during employment evaluation. I am new to this field and want to learn as much as possible so education is a good partner to actual hands-on work.<br />
I do think though that in my company, the certification may provide me more stature. They seem to value this as seen…
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Thank you for your response. I agree with your thinking. I am not sure if the certification is as important as the education-the learning. Since CI certification is relatively new I am not sure how much weight will be put on it during employment evaluation. I am new to this field and want to learn as much as possible so education is a good partner to actual hands-on work.<br />
I do think though that in my company, the certification may provide me more stature. They seem to value this as seen with Project Managers (PMP certification) and Human Resources (PHR). At this point, I dont think it would hurt anything and may lend some credence to my CI analyses. Agreed Avner, very well said…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-30:2036441:Comment:477292011-03-30T16:22:24.747ZArik Johnsonhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/ArikJohnson
Agreed Avner, very well said - bravo. As you said better than I did, in my comparison with the CFA, I was suggesting that UNTIL we were able to point to a level of authority and recognition of a similar caliber in the CI field, there would be a lot of groundwork to be done in advance of a certification credential carrying a lot of weight in hiring decisions.<br />
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As you continue, there is much more work to be accomplished among and between industry and the academic community (a journal for research…
Agreed Avner, very well said - bravo. As you said better than I did, in my comparison with the CFA, I was suggesting that UNTIL we were able to point to a level of authority and recognition of a similar caliber in the CI field, there would be a lot of groundwork to be done in advance of a certification credential carrying a lot of weight in hiring decisions.<br />
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As you continue, there is much more work to be accomplished among and between industry and the academic community (a journal for research and degrees/certificates for graduate study) before any similar authority and recognition are believable as eventually forthcoming for CI as a discrete discipline, er ... sorry, I meant, profession.
This is an important discus…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-30:2036441:Comment:471532011-03-30T10:15:44.845ZDr. Avner Barneahttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/AvnerBarnea
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<p align="right" dir="rtl" style="text-align: left;">This is an important discussion. I would like to take it to a different direction- Why there is no certificate needed in Marketing, in Business Development , Human Resources and so on? Are we really different? I do not think so. There is a way to learn and develop your skills- and it is combined by formal academic studies together with on the job training and also short courses to…</p>
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<p align="right" dir="rtl" style="text-align: left;">This is an important discussion. I would like to take it to a different direction- Why there is no certificate needed in Marketing, in Business Development , Human Resources and so on? Are we really different? I do not think so. There is a way to learn and develop your skills- and it is combined by formal academic studies together with on the job training and also short courses to keep up to date as part of personal development like in every profession. We have to be aware that the academy especially in Business Administration is becoming more aware to integrate in the syllabus also practical courses and this is the direction everywhere not just in Israel, while CI becomes part of the curriculum. I think we all have to participate in CI training to broaden our knowledge, but I'm not sure there is a need for a formal certificate. It is important that SCIP is giving the support for this program, although I can see a problem with giving an advantage not to say exclusivity, to one firm (ACI) on others that are also in the same business. One of the best ways of learning is through working together with senior consultants that have already gained a lot of experience; this is together with class training where you can learn much from your peers and not necessarily only from the instructors.</p>
<p align="right" dir="rtl" style="text-align: left;">For CI to become recognized it is not the certification which will make the difference, but being recognized as an academic discipline. And there is no short cut! It is very important to have a high level well recognized academic journal, in addition to the CIM. It is a mistake to try to compare us to CFA and others which have long recognized because of the responsibilities they have and being recognized for so long. I'm not against the CIP certificate, but I would suggest not developing too many expectations. It is nice to have an open new horizon, but we have to look deeply how to make CI more recognized.</p>
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Truly brilliant respon…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-29:2036441:Comment:474452011-03-29T18:34:28.772Zmonica nixonhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/monicanixon32
Eric,<br />
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Truly brilliant response; and I do mean truly, astoundingly brilliant.<br />
RE: CI Comparatives to medicine/legal fields.<br />
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Eric,<br />
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Truly brilliant response; and I do mean truly, astoundingly brilliant.<br />
RE: CI Comparatives to medicine/legal fields.<br />
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Monica Ann
Loved your analysis! Pre…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-29:2036441:Comment:476302011-03-29T18:24:25.300Zmonica nixonhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/monicanixon32
Ann<br />
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Loved your analysis! Precisely right.<br />
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But most of the CI certification programs out there really don’t describe true “certification.” There’s no test to take, no measurement of skills. It’s merely a “pay your money and get your diploma” deal. Also, there’s the question of how many hours are really spent in the classroom? Two weeks isn’t the same as an MBA. And, by the way, an MBA isn’t the same as studying for a CPA exam. Three completely different things, isn’t it? So…
Ann<br />
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Loved your analysis! Precisely right.<br />
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But most of the CI certification programs out there really don’t describe true “certification.” There’s no test to take, no measurement of skills. It’s merely a “pay your money and get your diploma” deal. Also, there’s the question of how many hours are really spent in the classroom? Two weeks isn’t the same as an MBA. And, by the way, an MBA isn’t the same as studying for a CPA exam. Three completely different things, isn’t it? So I’m saying I don’t think there’s any CI certification out there worthy of the name “certification.” Others will probably chime in and prove me wrong. LIKE what Craig said above.
tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-29:2036441:Comment:471382011-03-29T02:03:33.152ZAnn Lee Gibsonhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/AnnLeeGibson
<p>LIKE what Craig said above.</p>
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<p>LIKE what Craig said above.</p>
<p> </p> There is still one piece miss…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-29:2036441:Comment:472362011-03-29T01:39:54.580ZCraig S. Fleisherhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/CraigSFleisher
There is still one piece missing to this quote: Teach the science, mentor the art, and <em>leverage the experience</em>. As I have stated in several of my writings in this area, Effective CI practice has always been varying components of art, science and experience... not so different in objective from many of the professions this field aspires to emulate.
There is still one piece missing to this quote: Teach the science, mentor the art, and <em>leverage the experience</em>. As I have stated in several of my writings in this area, Effective CI practice has always been varying components of art, science and experience... not so different in objective from many of the professions this field aspires to emulate. Hello friends,A big confusion…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2011-03-29:2036441:Comment:475352011-03-29T00:59:35.738ZAlberto F. Olivares Alvarezhttp://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/AlbertoFOlivaresAlvarez
Hello friends,<br></br><br></br>A big confusion exists between economic intelligence and competitive intelligence, especially if these terms come from the French model or from the Anglo model.<br></br><br></br>From my point of view, if a specializing certification is necessary as they were indicating in the example of the PMI or of the professionals of Risk. Also I believe that it is necessary to generate an academic ambience of studies and investigation that norme in universal form this discipline, as it…
Hello friends,<br/><br/>A big confusion exists between economic intelligence and competitive intelligence, especially if these terms come from the French model or from the Anglo model.<br/><br/>From my point of view, if a specializing certification is necessary as they were indicating in the example of the PMI or of the professionals of Risk. Also I believe that it is necessary to generate an academic ambience of studies and investigation that norme in universal form this discipline, as it happens with the MBA in the sector business and finance on a global scale.