CI and Academe - Competitive Intelligence2024-03-28T22:09:21Zhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/forum/topics/2036441:Topic:543?commentId=2036441%3AComment%3A639&feed=yes&xn_auth=noLet me contribute to this dis…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-02-02:2036441:Comment:158442009-02-02T08:14:30.870ZTadeusz Lemańczykhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/TadeuszLemanczyk
Let me contribute to this discussion for the second time. A few days ago, Steve Eskov has interested me in <b>University of the People</b> ( <a href="http://innovateblog.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/steve-eskow-an-open-e-university/">http://innovateblog.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/steve-eskow-an-open-e-university/</a> ). They offer now 2 basic courses: <i>A bachelor degree in Business Administration</i> and <i>A bachelor degree in Computer Science</i> (…
Let me contribute to this discussion for the second time. A few days ago, Steve Eskov has interested me in <b>University of the People</b> ( <a href="http://innovateblog.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/steve-eskow-an-open-e-university/">http://innovateblog.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/steve-eskow-an-open-e-university/</a> ). They offer now 2 basic courses: <i>A bachelor degree in Business Administration</i> and <i>A bachelor degree in Computer Science</i> ( <a href="http://www.uopeople.com/104898/Programs">http://www.uopeople.com/104898/Programs</a> ). It's obvious that both courses include subjects about information gathering and information security. I'm really interested in contributing to any study programs including these subjects. And you, are you looking forward to it too ( <a href="http://www.uopeople.com/104898/Volunteers">http://www.uopeople.com/104898/Volunteers</a> )? Craig,
Thank you for your ve…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-01-26:2036441:Comment:152992009-01-26T00:19:28.471ZVernon Priorhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VernonPrior
Craig,<br />
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Thank you for your very kind remarks. It seems we are in total agreement. I will certainly continue to play my part. Let's just hope that SCIP is able to recruit more talented communicators who are able to exploit the mass media to maximum effect (as well as more focused, business-related media) in order to convince our primary audience of the nature and benefits of CI.<br />
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Vernon
Craig,<br />
<br />
Thank you for your very kind remarks. It seems we are in total agreement. I will certainly continue to play my part. Let's just hope that SCIP is able to recruit more talented communicators who are able to exploit the mass media to maximum effect (as well as more focused, business-related media) in order to convince our primary audience of the nature and benefits of CI.<br />
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Vernon Hi Vernon:
It is always good…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-01-25:2036441:Comment:152812009-01-25T15:34:44.379ZCraig S. Fleisherhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/CraigSFleisher
Hi Vernon:<br />
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It is always good to hear from you. We share these views, and your summary of CI as an established profession mirrors my own. I have long suggested that CI practitioners have not passed the so-called "public interest" value test - the one that suggests that any profession must generate results (or net benefits) that are easily recognized and valued by others. The question we would ask here is how society is better off for the provision of effective CI work. If it is better off, and…
Hi Vernon:<br />
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It is always good to hear from you. We share these views, and your summary of CI as an established profession mirrors my own. I have long suggested that CI practitioners have not passed the so-called "public interest" value test - the one that suggests that any profession must generate results (or net benefits) that are easily recognized and valued by others. The question we would ask here is how society is better off for the provision of effective CI work. If it is better off, and people can quickly recognize how it is better, than CI will move a long way toward establishing itself as a profession. If people (clients, decision makers, customers, and other stakeholders, etc.) can or do NOT see the net benefits, then we will still have a long ways to go.<br />
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I am frequently taken aback by the lack of (public or business executive) recognition of CI. We still have not done a good job at one of those critical strategy questions -- establishing the scope of the field's activities. Many CI practitioners cannot adequately explain to others outside the field where CI work begins and ends, what it should and should not accomplish, what is and is not CI, and/or when we should and should not be doing it. <u>Scope</u>, along with <u>goal setting</u> and <u>competitive posture</u>, and past actions/decisions are critical elements of any strategy. A field that intends to or needs to professionalize must gain consensus on these items. This is a role that SCIP, as the most obvious "voice" of the global CI community, has mainly struggled with through its nearly three decades of existence.<br />
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We need people like you who have pushed some of those boundaries. Your developments in the area of the glossary/language of CI were a masterpiece (one I still appreciate and use to the present), and one of those critical elements of "scope" that we need to continue to build upon. The CI Foundation's efforts, along with some of the members of this CI Ning community including myself to help develop an agreed upon and effective body of knowledge, curriculum, training modules, and certification standards, also go a long way to resolving the scope question; nevertheless, we have not yet arrived at the desired "station," and there is still much work to be done.<br />
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I hope that leaders like yourself will keep trying to get the message out - particularly in demonstrating and extolling the benefits that effective CI activity can bring to organizations, their decision makers, and to society more broadly. The more people are aware of it, and recognize that CI is an integral part of generating those benefits, the faster we can accelerate this field's movement toward becoming a legit profession.<br />
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Craig Craig,
I welcome your initia…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-01-25:2036441:Comment:152732009-01-25T03:44:52.124ZVernon Priorhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VernonPrior
Craig,<br />
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I welcome your initiative which will, I hope, stimulate some sensible responses. I would like to take this opportunity to contribute my twopenn'orth.<br />
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I am as eager as anyone to establish CI as a recognised profession. And, in my view, a profession needs to have certain things in place, such as: a professional association (which we have), a means to recognise qualifications in its field (which we don't have), a language or jargon (to which end my glossary was produced), a code of ethics…
Craig,<br />
<br />
I welcome your initiative which will, I hope, stimulate some sensible responses. I would like to take this opportunity to contribute my twopenn'orth.<br />
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I am as eager as anyone to establish CI as a recognised profession. And, in my view, a profession needs to have certain things in place, such as: a professional association (which we have), a means to recognise qualifications in its field (which we don't have), a language or jargon (to which end my glossary was produced), a code of ethics (which we have), a professionally refereed journal (which is currently in some doubt, I believe), and a database of members (which we have).<br />
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But, in order to take our proper place in the world, we need recognition by the people who matter - those who make decisions based on our efforts and expertise. And that, I feel, is where we have failed. IT and marketing people have succeeded in that respect, and we need to emulate them. By that I mean that we need publicity and promotion where it counts. My own attempts at this have been variable; I have managed to have articles accepted by The Australian, Business Review Weekly, several other management magazines, amany lesser publications. My most successful efforts, however, have been in relating to people who are already committed - that is, SCIP and FreePint (in this context, my article 'DIY Detection: CI for SMEs' [available through FreePint] was highly successful and well regarded). And I believe the reason for that is because it offered readers a means to get involved in CI easily and cheaply.<br />
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But I am convinced that SCIP can do a great deal more. For instance, we might identify those people who are better qualified than I am to use every means available (the most appropriate media, a more subtle approach, etc) to relate to the decision makers of this world. They are the people who will provide the support we need for any academic efforts we might wish to pursue.<br />
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Regards,<br />
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Vernon Prior Let me begin with a reply to…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-01-23:2036441:Comment:152242009-01-23T09:10:49.576ZTadeusz Lemańczykhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/TadeuszLemanczyk
Let me begin with a reply to this discussion thread. Within six weeks, I'll start my blended learning course <i>Information security</i> ( <a href="http://triton.cs.put.poznan.pl/platon/files/opisyPrzedmiotow/ib_dzi/4/e101052134101052318.rtf">http://triton.cs.put.poznan.pl/platon/files/opisyPrzedmiotow/ib_dzi/4/e101052134101052318.rtf</a> ) for students who wish to obtain their BSc degrees in <i>Security and Safety Engineering</i>. For some months, I've prepared the concentration <i>Technology…</i>
Let me begin with a reply to this discussion thread. Within six weeks, I'll start my blended learning course <i>Information security</i> ( <a href="http://triton.cs.put.poznan.pl/platon/files/opisyPrzedmiotow/ib_dzi/4/e101052134101052318.rtf">http://triton.cs.put.poznan.pl/platon/files/opisyPrzedmiotow/ib_dzi/4/e101052134101052318.rtf</a> ) for students who wish to obtain their BSc degrees in <i>Security and Safety Engineering</i>. For some months, I've prepared the concentration <i>Technology for Information Protection</i> for students who in February 2011 will begin to study in order to obtain their MSc degrees in <i>Security and Safety Engineering</i> ( <a href="http://fedcba.ning.com/profiles/blogs/an-incentive-to-include-tscm">http://fedcba.ning.com/profiles/blogs/an-incentive-to-include-tscm</a> ). During those preparations, I've been considering the course <i>Competitive Counter-Intelligence</i>. In order to settle whether <i>Competitive Intelligence</i> is really so "<i>aggressive</i>" that it requires "<i>an effective security program</i>" ( <a href="http://worldinstitute.org/wise/courses/cci/cci.html">http://worldinstitute.org/wise/courses/cci/cci.html</a> ), I've decided to join your social network. At first glance, Roman V. Romachev, Ellen Naylor, and August Jackson ( <a href="http://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/main/search/search?q=counterintelligence">http://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/main/search/search?q=counterintelligence</a> ) have already convinced me that counterintelligence occupies a considerable part in your interests. Maybe we could cooperate to build such concentration, including the few CI courses which can be studied in English at a distance by students all over the world. :-)<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
Tad Dear Daphne-
Thank you for th…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2008-04-25:2036441:Comment:45252008-04-25T13:14:33.378ZUlrich Houzanme (aka Tibaut)https://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/InformationManagementKnowledgeManagementCompetitiveIntelligenceStrategicAnalysis
Dear Daphne-<br />
Thank you for the information. It is appropriate and I will share my synthesis with him.<br />
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Cheers<br />
Ulrich Tibaut Houzanme
Dear Daphne-<br />
Thank you for the information. It is appropriate and I will share my synthesis with him.<br />
<br />
Cheers<br />
Ulrich Tibaut Houzanme Dear Ulrich,
Thank you for yo…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2008-04-25:2036441:Comment:45012008-04-25T08:03:39.710ZDaphne Ruth Rabanhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/DaphneRuthRaban
Dear Ulrich,<br />
Thank you for your reply.<br />
There is currently an effort initiated by SCIP and headed by prof. John Prescott to develop a Body of Knowledge for the CI profession. Please have a look at this document:<br />
<a href="https://www.centraldesktop.com/home/viewfile?guid=4931267B248AD351B50362F4C2901A50DB8263C&id=1857042">https://www.centraldesktop.com/home/viewfile?guid=4931267B248AD351B50362F4C2901A50DB8263C&id=1857042</a><br />
Daphne
Dear Ulrich,<br />
Thank you for your reply.<br />
There is currently an effort initiated by SCIP and headed by prof. John Prescott to develop a Body of Knowledge for the CI profession. Please have a look at this document:<br />
<a href="https://www.centraldesktop.com/home/viewfile?guid=4931267B248AD351B50362F4C2901A50DB8263C&id=1857042">https://www.centraldesktop.com/home/viewfile?guid=4931267B248AD351B50362F4C2901A50DB8263C&id=1857042</a><br />
Daphne Dear Daphne-
I believe you a…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2008-04-25:2036441:Comment:44612008-04-25T02:10:05.677ZUlrich Houzanme (aka Tibaut)https://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/InformationManagementKnowledgeManagementCompetitiveIntelligenceStrategicAnalysis
Dear Daphne-<br />
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I believe you are doing a great job introducing some of the decision making methodologies, avenues and issues related to them in your courses. And as you point out, the need is still there to have a consensus around a strong theory that provides a solid architecture to Competitive Intelligence.<br />
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With humility, I'd like to share some of the synthesis of my learnings to help further the discussions. Attached is a .pdf document that shows the apparent CI rudiments. But right before…
Dear Daphne-<br />
<br />
I believe you are doing a great job introducing some of the decision making methodologies, avenues and issues related to them in your courses. And as you point out, the need is still there to have a consensus around a strong theory that provides a solid architecture to Competitive Intelligence.<br />
<br />
With humility, I'd like to share some of the synthesis of my learnings to help further the discussions. Attached is a .pdf document that shows the apparent CI rudiments. But right before you observe it, here's some background that led to that outcome:<br />
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On one hand, Thinking is natural and universal and the statement speaks to the gift to human being from a superior creator. However, well-thought action is probably less universally distributed. And I'd like to think that Thinking -CI style- is much more scarce, but somehow in greater demand due to the complexity of the ever developing humanity.<br />
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On the other hand, Flawed thinking will probably support bad decision ; average thinking will probably yield average results. And when one is in the business of producing clear advantage for businesses, governments or others, then Superior Thinking ought to be -primarily- one's best asset.<br />
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So then, what could the universal core of CI look like? Comments?<br />
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Ulrich Tibaut Houzanme Hi Craig and Kieran-
I'd lik…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2008-04-23:2036441:Comment:43612008-04-23T16:15:57.635ZUlrich Houzanme (aka Tibaut)https://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/InformationManagementKnowledgeManagementCompetitiveIntelligenceStrategicAnalysis
Hi Craig and Kieran-<br />
<br />
I'd like to comment on this topic as I've thought it over a few times without taking. Here it is:<br />
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THE Discipline I believe to be indispensible to Competitive Intelligence and any practitioner is CRITICAL THINKING. Or It could sound like this backward: What is the single skill or know-how common to ALL CI practitionners/fields regardless of field of application? The answer, I believe again is <b>CRITICAL THINKING for DECISION SUPPORT.</b><br />
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The CI body of knowledge or any…
Hi Craig and Kieran-<br />
<br />
I'd like to comment on this topic as I've thought it over a few times without taking. Here it is:<br />
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THE Discipline I believe to be indispensible to Competitive Intelligence and any practitioner is CRITICAL THINKING. Or It could sound like this backward: What is the single skill or know-how common to ALL CI practitionners/fields regardless of field of application? The answer, I believe again is <b>CRITICAL THINKING for DECISION SUPPORT.</b><br />
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The CI body of knowledge or any academic CI teaching should, IMHO have an extensive focus on critical thinking skills. That being the <u>strategic</u> learning or the PRE-REQUISITE for entering the CI class, I am very much for a leitmotiv of the CI community sounding like this: "Do not venture in this community if you do not have what it takes to Think critically".<br />
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Craig, as you put it well in one of your answers to Michael Neugarten, <i>"we are nearly always faced with dealing with ambiguity, dynamism, fluctuation, uncertainty and various forms of "unexplained" variance that we need to understand better than others in order to properly support our organizational decision makers"</i>. And I fully agree with you. And not to discount every other knowledge necesary to complete any of our task, we have yet to define one area that should be the backbone of our profession. Reason again to agree with your assessment and we are faced with business-unknowns and can only successfuly deal with them with sound judgement that relies on Thinking.<br />
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1-If so, then aren't we somehow missing the boat on not strenghening the CORE COMPETENCY of the CI field, when strategy, tactics, counter-tactics, analysis techniques, field knowledge come second?<br />
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2-If you agree the first question I asked stands to reason, well, "How do you think critically and how do you teach to think critically?" will be my next one.<br />
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Anyone?<br />
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Best regards,<br />
Ulrich Tibaut Houzanme Welcome aboard, Michael. Good…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2008-04-14:2036441:Comment:35612008-04-14T06:50:15.618ZDaphne Ruth Rabanhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/DaphneRuthRaban
Welcome aboard, Michael. Good luck with your course!<br />
Daphne
Welcome aboard, Michael. Good luck with your course!<br />
Daphne