A diversion -- your favourite CI and strategy quotes - Competitive Intelligence2024-03-29T05:29:23Zhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/forum/topics/a-diversion-your-favourite-ci?x=1&id=2036441%3ATopic%3A16338&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWar Gaming Worst Case Scenari…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2012-01-09:2036441:Comment:707512012-01-09T01:04:59.144ZVivek Raghuvanshihttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
<p><strong><strong>War Gaming Worst Case Scenario with Strategic Assumptions + Tactical Indicators and filling Knowledge Gaps with Insight = Competitive Intelligence</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>War Gaming Worst Case Scenario with Strategic Assumptions + Tactical Indicators and filling Knowledge Gaps with Insight = Competitive Intelligence</strong></strong></p> War Gaming Worst Case Scenari…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2012-01-08:2036441:Comment:706652012-01-08T15:48:17.580ZVivek Raghuvanshihttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
<p><strong>War Gaming Worst Case Scenario = OODA Loop = Competitive Intelligence</strong></p>
<p><strong>War Gaming Worst Case Scenario = OODA Loop = Competitive Intelligence</strong></p> War Gaming Worst Case Scenari…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2012-01-08:2036441:Comment:706642012-01-08T14:17:31.768ZVivek Raghuvanshihttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
<p><strong>War Gaming Worst Case Scenario with Psychic Abilities = Competitive Intelligence </strong></p>
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<p>NEXT - Nicolas Cage</p>
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<p>Sherlock Holmes 2</p>
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<p><strong>War Gaming Worst Case Scenario with Psychic Abilities = Competitive Intelligence </strong></p>
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<p>NEXT - Nicolas Cage</p>
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<p>Sherlock Holmes 2</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHBHMtl9YWw&ob=av3e">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHBHMtl9YWw&ob=av3e</a></p> “Tell me, I forget, show me,…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-08-26:2036441:Comment:262612009-08-26T06:08:28.763ZV Narasimha Reddyhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VNarasimhaReddy
“Tell me, I forget, show me, I remember, Involve me, I understand.”<br />
<br />
Carl Orff<br />
<br />
<br />
”A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.”<br />
<br />
Albert Einstein
“Tell me, I forget, show me, I remember, Involve me, I understand.”<br />
<br />
Carl Orff<br />
<br />
<br />
”A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.”<br />
<br />
Albert Einstein Hi Seena,
Great to hear from…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-29:2036441:Comment:254352009-07-29T22:44:44.922ZAlli Marshallhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/AlliMarshall
Hi Seena,<br />
Great to hear from you and congrats on your upcoming publishing date! Do you have any plans to visit Canada or the northern U.S. as part of your book promotion efforts?<br />
<br />
Thanks to you and all the other contributors for sharing the excellent quotes -- I love reading them and look forward to many more!<br />
Alli
Hi Seena,<br />
Great to hear from you and congrats on your upcoming publishing date! Do you have any plans to visit Canada or the northern U.S. as part of your book promotion efforts?<br />
<br />
Thanks to you and all the other contributors for sharing the excellent quotes -- I love reading them and look forward to many more!<br />
Alli Hi Alli,
The Sun Tzu quote y…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-28:2036441:Comment:254152009-07-28T20:24:14.271ZSeena Sharphttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/SeenaSharp
Hi Alli,<br />
<br />
The Sun Tzu quote you noted is frequently used at SCIP conferences. This quote applies to war, not business, because war is a zero sum game and business is not.<br />
<br />
Sun Tzu had another quote that is more applicable to business and CI, which I have not heard at SCIP:<br />
<br />
“It is best to keep one’s own state intact; to crush the enemy’s state is only second best.”<br />
<br />
In my upcoming book - woo hoo!! - Competitive Intelligence Advantage (Wiley, Oct 2009), I expand on this by stating that "As it…
Hi Alli,<br />
<br />
The Sun Tzu quote you noted is frequently used at SCIP conferences. This quote applies to war, not business, because war is a zero sum game and business is not.<br />
<br />
Sun Tzu had another quote that is more applicable to business and CI, which I have not heard at SCIP:<br />
<br />
“It is best to keep one’s own state intact; to crush the enemy’s state is only second best.”<br />
<br />
In my upcoming book - woo hoo!! - Competitive Intelligence Advantage (Wiley, Oct 2009), I expand on this by stating that "As it relates to business, a company’s primary goal is to have a profitable, viable, and growing business. Competitors that are diminished because of your good decisions and cleverness...."<br />
<br />
In short, the better goal is to make your business successful rather than to focus on driving competitors out of business. Heard a funny one the other d…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-24:2036441:Comment:250532009-07-24T20:24:18.291ZRob Duncanhttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/RobDuncan
Heard a funny one the other day that I hadn't heard before. For somebody who is making a mountain out of a molehill, or obsessing on some trivial battle:<br />
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<b>"Is this really the hill you want to die on??"</b><br />
<br />
Not exactly a quote, but certainly something I can see using with clients and colleagues!<br />
<br />
Cheers.. Rob
Heard a funny one the other day that I hadn't heard before. For somebody who is making a mountain out of a molehill, or obsessing on some trivial battle:<br />
<br />
<b>"Is this really the hill you want to die on??"</b><br />
<br />
Not exactly a quote, but certainly something I can see using with clients and colleagues!<br />
<br />
Cheers.. Rob "Competitive Intelligence is…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-07-15:2036441:Comment:247812009-07-15T04:22:11.933ZVivek Raghuvanshihttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
"Competitive Intelligence is PERCEPTION Driven" :<br />
<br />
We all know that an optimistic would see half full glass of water,<br />
while a pessimist would see a half empty one. What would people of<br />
different professions and walks of life say?<br />
<br />
A Banker would say that the glass has just under 50% of its net worth<br />
in liquid assets.<br />
<br />
The Government would say that the glass is fuller than if the<br />
opposition party were in power.<br />
<br />
The Opposition party would say that it is irrelevant because the<br />
present…
"Competitive Intelligence is PERCEPTION Driven" :<br />
<br />
We all know that an optimistic would see half full glass of water,<br />
while a pessimist would see a half empty one. What would people of<br />
different professions and walks of life say?<br />
<br />
A Banker would say that the glass has just under 50% of its net worth<br />
in liquid assets.<br />
<br />
The Government would say that the glass is fuller than if the<br />
opposition party were in power.<br />
<br />
The Opposition party would say that it is irrelevant because the<br />
present administration has changed the way such volume statistics are<br />
collected.<br />
<br />
The Economist would say that, in real terms, the glass is 25% fuller<br />
than at the same time last year.<br />
<br />
The Philosopher would say that, if the glass was in the forest and no<br />
one was there to see it, would it be half anything?<br />
<br />
The Psychiatrist would ask, "What did your mother say about the glass?"<br />
<br />
The Physicist would say that the volume of this cylinder is divided<br />
into two equal parts; one a colorless, odorless liquid, the other a<br />
colorless, odorless gas. Thus the cylinder is neither full nor empty.<br />
Rather, each half of the cylinder is full, one with a gas, one with a<br />
liquid.<br />
<br />
The Seasoned Drinker would say that the glass doesn't have enough (or<br />
too much) ice in it. Arthur dear,
You did not rea…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-06-10:2036441:Comment:235122009-06-10T09:42:51.464ZVivek Raghuvanshihttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/VivekRaghuvanshi
Arthur dear,<br />
<br />
You did not read my second post.<br />
<br />
The issue is not whether he said the quote:<br />
<br />
We have Dissonance here. If you attempt to understand Anthropology and NATURAL SELECTION and INTERPRET then:<br />
<br />
Please Read:<br />
<br />
Arthur "Read between the lines":<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Charles-Darwin-Theory-Evolution.htm">http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Charles-Darwin-Theory-Evolution.htm</a><br />
<br />
In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals because they succeed…
Arthur dear,<br />
<br />
You did not read my second post.<br />
<br />
The issue is not whether he said the quote:<br />
<br />
We have Dissonance here. If you attempt to understand Anthropology and NATURAL SELECTION and INTERPRET then:<br />
<br />
Please Read:<br />
<br />
Arthur "Read between the lines":<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Charles-Darwin-Theory-Evolution.htm">http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Charles-Darwin-Theory-Evolution.htm</a><br />
<br />
In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals because they succeed in adapting themselves best to their environment. (Charles Darwin)<br />
<br />
<a href="http://brembs.net/gould.html">http://brembs.net/gould.html</a><br />
<br />
Natural selection is an immensely powerful yet beautifully simple theory that has held up remarkably well, under intense and unrelenting scrutiny and testing, for 135 years. In essence, natural selection locates the mechanism of evolutionary change in a "struggle" among organisms for reproductive success, leading to improved fit of populations to changing environments. ( Struggle is often a metaphorical description and need not be viewed as overt combat, guns blazing. Tactics for reproductive success include a variety of non-martial activities such as earlier and more frequent mating or better cooperation with partners in raising offspring.) Natural selection is therefore a principle of local adaptation, not of general advance or progress.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_48">http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_48</a><br />
<br />
The basic evolutionary mechanisms — mutation, migration, genetic drift, and natural selection — can produce major evolutionary change if given enough time.<br />
<br />
A process like mutation might seem too small-scale to influence a pattern as amazing as the beetle radiation, or as large as the difference between dogs and pine trees, but it's not. Life on Earth has been accumulating mutations and passing them through the filter of natural selection for 3.8 billion years — more than enough time for evolutionary processes to produce its grand history<br />
<br />
<a href="http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evoscales_01">http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evoscales_01</a><br />
<br />
Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:<br />
• mutation<br />
• migration<br />
• genetic drift<br />
• natural selection<br />
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Further Arthur,<br />
<br />
I do not think you have Security clearance to know about Iraq, when you make a statement:<br />
<br />
"A perfect example of this is where the UK supported the invasion of Iraq based on a single HUMINT source seemingly confirming a rumour. The source had previously been reliable but turned out to have a vested interest, and so provided false information. In hindsight the evidence from OSINT turned out to be more accurate".<br />
<br />
Arthur, my friend, if you attempt to see reality as it was:<br />
<br />
THERE IS NO PEACE IN MIDDLE EAST WITHOUT EGYPT<br />
AND THERE IS NO WAR WITHOUT IRAQ<br />
<br />
Ask your friends in MI6 and MI5 what Iraq is really about. Forget OSINT fed to the Media Vivek
Getting a quote right…tag:competitiveintelligence.ning.com,2009-06-10:2036441:Comment:235102009-06-10T09:09:19.029ZArthur Weisshttps://competitiveintelligence.ning.com/profile/ArthurWeiss
Vivek<br />
<br />
Getting a quote right or wrong may seem trivial but it's part of a mindset. Attributing a statement to Charles Darwin when he never said it shows a careless mindset that doesn't check or verify gathered intelligence and then acts on the unverified intelligence. That is not CI - that's stupidity.<br />
<br />
Every piece of information - irrespective of whether it's HUMINT or OSINT or whatever - should<br />
a) have a source with some estimate of the source credibility<br />
b) be evaluated as to its likely…
Vivek<br />
<br />
Getting a quote right or wrong may seem trivial but it's part of a mindset. Attributing a statement to Charles Darwin when he never said it shows a careless mindset that doesn't check or verify gathered intelligence and then acts on the unverified intelligence. That is not CI - that's stupidity.<br />
<br />
Every piece of information - irrespective of whether it's HUMINT or OSINT or whatever - should<br />
a) have a source with some estimate of the source credibility<br />
b) be evaluated as to its likely veracity<br />
<br />
Information where the source is dubious should be questioned. Information where the veracity of the information is questionable should be treated with care.<br />
<br />
A perfect example of this is where the UK supported the invasion of Iraq based on a single HUMINT source seemingly confirming a rumour. The source had previously been reliable but turned out to have a vested interest, and so provided false information. In hindsight the evidence from OSINT turned out to be more accurate.<br />
<br />
The point about the Darwin quote is that it is a typical rumour that is NOT verifiable, and with a bit of work can be shown to be almost certainly false. However because most people don't bother to check (i.e. are careless), it goes round and round and becomes viewed as fact.<br />
<br />
My reasons for doubting the quote are nothing to do with the DarwinProject but on my own research into the origins of the quote. I started by believing it was a valid quote as it sounded feasible so i wanted to see the context and from which work it came from. You can search ALL Darwin's published writings on the web - and doing this i couldn't find the quote. I then contacted Nigel Rees who is an expert on quotation origins with a network of others who know things like this. They were also unsure, but came to the conclusion that it was NOT said by Darwin (but couldn't find who did first say it). (i.e. i used a mix of OSINT and HUMINT).<br />
<br />
Another CI skill is to evaluate sources. You quote two that seem professional: CMS and the Darwin Project. However of the two, the CMS one is dubious. The quote comes from a lecture / presentation and is described as "my favorite quote". Such lectures are unlikely to do the research into whether the quote is true or not. In contrast, the Darwin Project is actually studying Darwin's works and so is likely to be more reliable.<br />
<br />
This is why this attributing this quote is important. It can be used as a mini-case study on how to do CI and how NOT to do CI (i.e. believing rumours without checking the facts; failure to weigh up sources and evaluate them vs. looking at the reasons to why the information was made available, etc.)<br />
<br />
As for OSINT not ever giving competitive advantage - that's also false, and dangerous. The British achieved major successes against the Germans in WW2 through OSINT. There have been numerous other examples where OSINT is crucial. (Unless you are saying things like Patent research is worthless). You need both OSINT and HUMINT. One without the other is likely to lead to competitive failure as you will not have the complete picture.<br />
<br />
BTW - there are many other quotes that are wrongly attributed to individuals that go round on the Internet. (Another is "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics". This is sometimes attributed to Mark Twain - false; or to Benjamin Disraeli - not verifiable but possible. You can see how complex this is at <a href="http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/lies.htm">http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/lies.htm</a>)